Friday, April 28, 2006

Another Try

Alright, I'm gonna save this draft every other sentence.

I mentioned plenty about what I don't believe or know, now for some of what I do.

Angela said that he loves me. This I know. As I was thinking about the Cross, I tried to find some loophole that didn't require Jesus to die to cover our sins (much like I'm eager for evidence that the "Spirit of Prophecy" isn't or doesn't have to be Ellen White.) After coming up empty there, I thought about why God sacrificed his son. It is because he loves us and wants to have us live with him forever, so much that even if no one accepts his gift, he still gives it. Which love is greater, requited or unrequited? I'm guessing that the love that is rejected is greater. What makes us worthy of God killing his son for us? His love. We are valuable because God loves us. Here is where I depart. I find his love quite literally pathetic. I have a hard time respecting a God that kowtows to measly humans like a puppy. Our value comes from God's love, but his love is greater if we reject it? I don't believe I get my value from who loves me. I believe any value I have comes from who I am, what I'm capable of doing, thinking, and becoming.

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At April 28, 2006 9:14 AM, Blogger Cerise said...

"For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy" (Revelation 19:10). I think that should count as evidence that it doesn't have to be Ellen White--in whom I don't believe either.

At April 28, 2006 12:35 PM, Blogger Ellen said...

you're over thinking this. if there is a god and a heaven and if you wind up at the gates of god's heaven, just say you were joking about the whole "over thinking" thing. i'm sure god will understand and have a good laugh with you.

At April 28, 2006 1:59 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

I still believe in God, just not the Christian one. And I am also just saying what I believe, I disagree with how I understand Christianity, but that doesn't make it wrong. I'm fine with being wrong, burn me up.

At April 28, 2006 2:00 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

I meant to say, I disagree with the Christianity I understand.

At April 28, 2006 5:33 PM, Blogger Voth said...

This is a little late, but I think it will explain easter to your liking...

At May 01, 2006 2:07 AM, Blogger Jeff said...

A few questions & comments:

"I'm guessing that the love that is rejected is greater."
"Our value comes from God's love, but his love is greater if we reject it?"

I have a hard time accepting this view of love. I'm more comfortable with, "We can't earn God's love because he already loves us completely. We can't lose God's love because he'll love us the same even if we reject him." Unconditional love has to be just that, unconditional (whether accepted or rejected). However, I do see a difference between unconditional love and unconditional forgiveness, but that would like to a previous discussion that I don't want to pursue right now.

I think the Bible teaches us to love our enemies because our Creator does the same. Love him or hate him, hug him or nail him, he's still offering all the love he has.

"I have a hard time respecting a God that kowtows to measly humans like a puppy."

I don't understand this part. If you have time, I'm interested to read an explanation.

"I believe any value I have comes from who I am, what I'm capable of doing, thinking, and becoming."

But isn't the capacity for doing, thinking, and becoming given by the Creator (Christian or non-Christian Gd)? So the value would still ultimately come from God. Either way, how does the consideration diminish God's love, or God's character, or our value? I'm don't see the connection yet. Did I misunderstand where you were going with it?

At May 01, 2006 12:07 PM, Blogger Amy said...

When I read your statement about God in His pathetic love kowtowing to us humans like a puppy, what I imagined you thinking was this, "If I were God, I wouldn't kowtow to measly humans." By "kowtowing to humans" I assume you mean that He allows us to influence Him, He withholds judgment, He allows us to ignore what He says and choose to go another way. A God that did not do this would not be a God of love, but a god of power. The Christian God is, of course, a God of limitless power, but power without love is self-serving power. He wouldn't have created us to choose, He would have created us to serve Him against our will. If Satan were God (I don't know if you believe in Satan either, but go with me anyway) he would not "kowtow" to anyone I am sure. You can imagine for yourself what a world ruled by that kind of god would look like. (I think of Aslan v. the White Witch in Narnia, somehow.) You can respect power, but limitless power and limitless love is a combination that quite literally brings tears to my eyes.

All I have to say is thank Goodness for pathetic love.

P.S. According to the following definitions, I don't agree that God kowtows to anyone. Perhaps if you could offer examples or explanations, as Jeff suggested, it would clarify things. Also, if I mistook your meanings or feelings feel free to set me straight.

Kowtow (according to
1. To kneel and touch the forehead to the ground in expression of deep respect, worship, or submission, as formerly done in China. 2. To show servile deference. See synonyms at fawn1

Fawn (ibid)
1. To exhibit affection or attempt to please, as a dog does by wagging its tail, whining, or cringing. 2. To seek favor or attention by flattery and obsequious behavior.
SYNONYMS: fawn1, apple-polish, bootlick, kowtow, slaver1, toady, truckle These verbs mean to curry favor by behaving obsequiously and submissively:

At May 04, 2006 7:38 PM, Blogger Karen said...

I think you're saying that you're fine with being wrong because secretly you believe you are right.

At May 07, 2006 6:39 PM, Blogger Angela said...

i look forward to your return to writing. i miss you.

At May 08, 2006 9:26 AM, Blogger Terri said...

Daniel, yesterday in talking with Amy she told me I should read your blog because she was quite disturbed at your announcement that you were a "seven day agnostic". And I have to say I was quite shocked. You and Scott have always held a special place in my heart and I felt as if one of my children had told me that they didn't believe in Christ. I didn't know if I should comment in your blog or not. I'm not very good at putting my thoughts into words but when I went to have my devotions this morning my Bible fell open to I John 5 and as I started to read it I just felt that I needed to share it with you. I love you and will be praying for you.

At June 06, 2006 3:55 PM, Blogger Piiwite said...

Posting to a dead thread, take 2.

Another point you might want to consider is the nature of a god who relies on "covenants".

A covenant, per Webster, is "a solemn and binding agreement", or "a written agreement or promise usually under seal between two or more parties especially for the performance of some action". In other words, a contract.

Generally, when one thinks of spiritual contracts, the phrase "making a deal with the devil" comes up. Christian theologians try to explain away the contractual nature of "salvation" with words like "love" and "gift", but the contractual aspect cannot be avoided because salvation is always tied to fullfilling certain requirements, primarily the surrender of your will to another entity.

Covenant based christian theology essentially posits that you have no choice but to surrender your life and will to either god or satan, you will always be somebody's pawn, and spiritual "growth" occurs through allowing another entity an ever increasing depth of control over your mind, body & spirit.

Maybe this YHWH character isn't the "one true god" he claims to be...


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Wednesday, April 26, 2006

I hate you internetting and blogger

Seriously, you're busting my balls. Why did you lose my pompous bloated post? Why?



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Jeremy Birge

O' Connor Monte Cristo, Zombie Ukrainian, Todd Rundgren, Gander, Letters to be written, Rick Ocasek, Stephen Colbert, Bucket, "my brother's kids," Dave Grohl dental work. As you can see, I have a lot to get through. Settle in.

As Nat X would say,"It is now 4:49 in the AM." I woke up at 3, and then after dreaming for a while (don't eat half a Monte Cristo before bed) about DAA and a bunch of people from the class behind me like Mike Hellman, Leslie Weidell, Seth Clark, and James Schumacher (recent MySpace addition), I know where it began, which is saying a lot because much, as you can see, has followed.

After my dream, I realized how much I don't trust Leslie Weidell, diabetic PK mountain-biking hottie that he is. I don't trust him because he, and by extension the rest of those enrolled at DAA in 1998, betrayed me in that year's Student Association elections. At one point, I was the only candidate for Spiritual Vice-President. Then after the deadline for submission of petition to become a candidate, the SA officers of that year allowed Leslie Weidell to join the race. They had to do this because the previous year Jeremy Birge, Sgt. at Arms for that administration, was allowed to join the race after the deadline the previous year. That year, many agreed this was a good thing because I don't think we liked who he was running against (I think it was Dusty Kirschmann, ask Scott for clarification). In hindsight, I guess I was also loathed like Dusty. Back to the election, Scott said that it was between the guy who prayed in guy's dorm worship and the guy who exposed himself during it. So I lost the election. In the previous year's annual, Pastor Gary (Burns) wrote: Daniel, You have great potential as a spiritual leader. Leadership is not limited to an office. It's a full-time-who-you-are thing. God Bless! PG I agree with him, but mandate from the people sure does help. In the year of the election his comment included: Sometimes your agenda and God's agenda get a little confused. Allow God to give direction. Give him permission to do His work in your life, and you will be glad.

I guess this was the beginning of my disillusionment with spirituality and religion. I know I was a stupid 17 year old kid, but it happens. Part of the reason for the impact this event had on me is that I've always associated community and religion. This is the only reason I go to church now (when I actually go), for the community. So when the community rejected me as a spiritual leader, it was difficult.

So that covers the feelings I got from my dream. After I woke up, I thought about what I could do with my time, seeins as I had the whole morning ahead of me. One of my options was to write a letter. I haven't written in a while, so I thought I might open with Todd Rundgren's "Hello, it's me. I've thought about us for a long, long time." Todd has been in my mind for a while since he was put on Stephen Colbert's "On Notice" board by Rick Ocasek (Rick was on the show as a resident limnologist because in a music video he, like Jesus, walked on water. Colbert put The Journal of Paleolimnology on notice because of an article proposing that Christ walked on a chunk of ice in the Sea of Galilee, and gave Rick the option to put someone up there too.) I realize why he was Ocasek's choice. I was also wondering why two ds. This got me thinking of other Todds and Todd Flanders came to mind, from the Simpsons. "Hens love roosters. Geese love ganders. Everyone else loves Ned Flanders." This ditty was the first time I realized that a gander was not a group of geese, which I figured it was since people say "What is good for the goose is good for the gander." when they mean what is good for one is good for all.

One more ramble. This morning as I sat down to the computer, I saw the lid to my honey bear on the computer desk. As I took it back to its home, I saw my honey bear all messy on the kitchen counter. SERGEY!!! is responsible for this. He came home tired from watching the boiler. I guess he wasn't too tired to make a mess he didn't clean up. Silly zombie Ukranian. As Billy Bob Thornton said in Tombstone, "It's like playin' with my brother's kids."

PS In the Foo Fighters video "Best of You," Dave Grohl, lead singer and former drummer of Nirvana, sings into a microphone with a majority of the video a close up of this. I wonder if the premium shots of his teeth allow him to write-off for taxes his dental work.

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At April 26, 2006 4:40 PM, Blogger Wee Katie said...

Thanks for sharing. It may have been long and rambly, but it feels like you're thinking out loud, unedited, which makes me happy. I'm sorry about the Honeybear. Ugh. I'm having roommate-cleaning-issues too. I may move.
Sorry for not calling on Sunday--I had too much to do. How's this Friday eve for you?

At April 26, 2006 11:19 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

Sounds fine to me. I know Scott's parents will call sometime that evening too, but if you want to give a time, we can try to make it happen.


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Tuesday, April 25, 2006


as in seven-day agnostic. I switched my religion on MySpace a few weeks ago, and thought I'd do so here too. I know this doesn't really matter to how people view me or think about me, my actions and interactions (with a little hearsay) do that, but I thought this would be as good a venue as any to work it out verbally.

Right now, I'm more not Christian than gung-ho Agnostic. Some reasons I'm not Christian. I don't believe in the divinity of Christ. This started by not really accepting His sacrifice for my sins, because I don't think I need it. [I don't know if I've discussed this here before, but sin seems very subjective to me, based on guilt mainly (what you feel guilty doing is a sin, different cultures issue different guilt). I'd rather not feel guilty, nor do I feel guilty doing or thinking things that used to be sin to me. So, if sin is subjective, which I think it is, why need someone to save me from it?] After over a year of not believing I need "the Cross," this Easter I decided Jesus is what I think the Buddhists and Muslims say He is, a great teacher/prophet, but not God.

I admit I've been influenced by other religious literature (see The Book of Mormon, The Koran, and The Dictionary of Norse Myth and Legend). Many religions have religious texts, and each believes in the veracity of it. Why is the Bible more true than the Koran, or the Book of Mormon for that matter?

Even longer than not needing the Cross, I've been more religious than spiritual (I've always mocked the start up Gen-X churches who promise "God without religion." I say, "No religion?! Not for me!"), even the religion part is out now. My take on those that are succeeding with Christianity (no offence) is that belief or faith is the important thing (I've felt this way about prayer for many years. Prayer focuses your mind on something; doesn't matter what happens--God is answering). I don't think it matters what you believe (in); if you believe and have faith, then you will feel better about your life (which is why you believe, so that you will feel good about your life). I think that about covers my non-Christian reasons.

I still believe in a God that created the Universe. Whether He has a place for me after I die, I don't know. Does it matter to Him if I live a moral life? I don't know. Does He want me to join a chosen group of people to worship Him? I don't know. Is He a he? I do not know. I guess that covers the a-gnostic part.

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At April 25, 2006 11:26 PM, Blogger Angela said...

does He love you?

i'm sorry i haven't sent the answer to your question yet, daniel. i forgot. but i have remembered.

i love you.

At April 26, 2006 12:27 PM, Blogger Ellen said...

you've thought this out more then i have, and i'll agree with most of your points. but for me it came down to realizing i was only pretending to be a christian to fit in with the group of people i was around (ozark bitches, i mean, classmates). it wasn't until i was talking with one of my professors (from turkey and therefore raised muslim) and she said, "i'm not christian" did it hit me that religion didn't really matter to me, it was the connections i make with other people that matters.

i also don't believe in santa and, really, what's not to love about santa...and his six to eight black men? i'll stop here before i get out of hand.

At April 26, 2006 6:38 PM, Blogger Voth said...

I can see where you are coming from.

I can't quite bring myself to the same place, but have been tempted. I have to believe in Jesus. Not because I should, or "know" that it is the right thing, but because I couldn't justify the way I think or live my life if that part wasn't true.

Not the best reason for belief, but the best I can do right now.

I really don't like Christians though. There are some good ones out there, but well, not enough to make church a happy place.

We should talk religion sometime. I miss that.

Even though we don't agree on lots of stuff, I love you!

At April 26, 2006 7:49 PM, Blogger Jeff said...

I really appreciate 3 things about this post: (1) you're honest, (2) you've vulnerable, & (3) you don't ridicule people who hold other beliefs.

I have a lot of questions & thoughts, but for now I'll just say I'm interested in the God & creation part. If you're ever motivated, I'd be interested to read a post on why you believe "in a God that created the Universe."

Oh yeah, Hi, my name's Jeff. Peace.

At April 26, 2006 8:44 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

Thank you all for your comments.

Angela, I'm glad you brought up God's love. See my next post for a more thorough response, but in brief, I think God's love is quite literally pathetic.

Ellen, the social/cultural aspect is HUGE, and I think it's a larger obstacle to honesty than a lot of people want to admit.

Wendi, I am also matching how I live with what I believe but reverse from you. I'm just admitting that I don't live like a Christian. Sounds a bit pompous, but I don't think I could live differently than I believe. Speaking of Christians (since you brought them up), I don't have any problems with Christians, or Adventists for that matter. I think I've always been able to separate the person(ality) from their affiliation. Yes, we should talk about religion sometime. Call me.

Jeff, welcome, and thanks. I think it is easy to be honest and vulnerable, because putting these thoughts on the blog helps me to pack light. :)


At April 26, 2006 9:01 PM, Blogger Voth said...

Well, I don't think I live like a Christian much, at least I don't follow all the teachings that my parents believe I do/should do.

My whole life philosophy is based on being there for other people. If I can bring a little joy to someone, even from just opening a door or having something nice to say to them, I am happy.

This is sorta based on how I view Jesus. If he doesn't exsist or even isn't divine, I'd have to do a lot of soul searching and thought, and frankly, I'm lazy.

My biggest problem is the love aspect of it all. It works for some people, people I greatly respect (Angela for one), but I don't understand it. I've tried. It is an emotion I can't accept as genuine. I love other people, they don't love me back. (I blame my mother for that complex). Anyway, this is getting too personal for blogs. Let me know when you are free to talk.

At April 28, 2006 12:56 AM, Blogger Jeff said...

This comment goes in the direction of Voth... I'm confused.

It seems like the first half of your last comment is totally about love, and then the last paragraph is about not understanding or experiencing or something love. That part confused me a little.

Because to me, your comment about “being there for people” is real love. I'm not sure what else it would look like.

I know you're right—we're getting a little deep since this isn't even our blog. Cool. And I don't even know either of you, so yeah, I'm totally butting in. Again, cool.

And you're also right that Angela definitely has a corner on the love thing. Maybe that's a common thread—we all love Angela, aye?

I've posted some general thoughts on my blog about some of these ideas/experiences. I thought it might be more appropriate to put them there rather than here 'cause they're mostly God stuff. I hope you'll check it out ( It's meaningful to me.

Peace & respect,

At June 06, 2006 2:47 PM, Blogger Piiwite said...

I realize I'm commenting on an old post, but it's one of those enjoyable little vices...

The best advice I can give, since I'm sure you want my advice, is the old Sufi saying: We do not fear hell, and we do not covet heaven.

If one keeps this in mind, and if one is genuinely curious and willing to seek, there are many rewards to be found.


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Thursday, April 20, 2006

One Week Later

So, I haven't run since the last time I ran, last Thursday. One week later, it is twenty degrees cooler, and I ran a mile farther at a pace 55 seconds faster per mile (8 miles in 71 minutes).



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Sunday, April 16, 2006

The Real Daniel

I'm sorry. I have been misleading my readers (faithful and otherwise). Reading this blog, I'm sure it gives the impression I lead a terribly exciting, eventful life. In reality, I find every excuse I can to sleep in, and once out of bed I spend as much time, reasonable or otherwise, in front of a monitor, tv or otherwise. Forget couch potato. I'm a monitor lizard. Case in point:

Movies I saw this weekend: Ripley's Game, Carried Away, Death and the Maiden, Character, Junebug, and partially National Lampoon's Van Wilder, The Replacements, Jeepers Creepers plus Jeepers Creepers 2, and I've got 51 more in my Netflix queue.

TV shows I currently can't pass up: The Next Food Network Star, Ham on the Street, Good Eats, Grey's Anatomy, Robot Chicken, Minoriteam, Moral Orel, Scrubs, Sons and Daughters, Amazing Race 9, South Park, American Idol Elimination, Top Chef, The Office, My Name Is Earl, The Henry Rollins Show, Dinner for Five, and we can't forget The Daily Show and his little brother all growed up, The Colbert Report, Ed vs. Spencer is another I mentioned before.

My internetting committments include gmail, hotmail, myspace, blogger, espn, netflix, and associate links.

On top of, or I should say "around," the monitoring, I try to add eating, exercising, reading (just finished Stephen King's Apt Pupil from Different Seasons, next up American Psycho and selections from the Koran), annoying Scott, consuming music, and sleeping. Not too exciting, not at all.

PS I did go to Ivanna Cone Saturday night for some more chambord (a quart of it is now in my freezer) and had a wonderful dish of chambord, Bailey's, and cinnamon. Fantastic!

Thiseen, I went to El Comal and got a lengua burrito and a tripitas taco. Yes you Espanophones read that right, tongue and stomach. The tripitas was good. The tongue was tough and dryish. One menu had brains on it but more updated ones didn't, not that I'm really aching for some bovine encephalitis ten years from now.

Verry booring. (Get it, I'm a boor. ha. ha.)


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At April 17, 2006 12:00 AM, Blogger Voth said...

Not boring. Gross.

I do approve of the annoying Scott part though.

Who is your Amazing race pick? I'm in love with the hippies, but I don't know if they have what it takes to make it.

At April 17, 2006 7:44 AM, Blogger Daniel said...

I'm going with the hippies too. I think they might not have the overwhelming lovability that the last winners, of the normal one, the black couple had, which had the producers of the show stop a plane in order for them to be tied going into Miami for though. The guileless philandering of the other top two guys is interesting and might push them over the top.

At April 18, 2006 7:49 AM, Blogger Wee Katie said...

Wow. I'm impressed at your time management skills. You really have got to find a way to make a career out of all of this--there's GOT to be money there somewhere. The only show I watch is Desperate Housewives, and I don't even watch it on TV--I download it so I can watch it at my leisure.

At April 18, 2006 7:43 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

I forgot to include Michael's quote: "Everyone's entitled to a couple of vices. I'll take TV for both of mine."


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Friday, April 14, 2006

Great Friday

Work was good. Ivanna Cone was delish (try the chambord). Pat Dixon is funny. Early to bed is better. Hence, great day.

The temperature yestereen during my run was 87 at the beginning and 85 at the end.

Lakim "One" Iyotta

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Thursday, April 13, 2006

Maundy Thursday

Tonight I ran here. It was my longest and first run outside since starting my "training" for the alf-marathon. Some thoughts:

I know now why they created "interval training." It was just an excuse to slow down (stop) when running. It is a whole lot harder to run outside. It really doesn't help when the time and temp at South and Capitol Parkway is stuck at 90 something. It seemed hot. I'll check tomorrow what the temp was from 7:08 to 8:16. So I did the seven miles in 68 minutes. I guess that isn't horrible; it is a 9:42 average. I don't think a fried egg and peanut butter sandwich with a chaser of milk is the best pre-run meal. I know what the psalmist was talking about when he mentioned lying down beside still waters. I really liked the underpasses. When you're running, the stop lights are a pleasant excuse to rest and no longer a nuisance. According to Gmap, I burned 1005 calories.

Much to Scott's annoyance, today is Maundy Thursday. It is a nice concept though "A new commandment I give unto you, love one another as I have loved you." John 13:34 I love saying Maundy Thursday. Say it with me: MAUNDY THURSDAY.

While typing this up, I was watching Ed vs. Spencer on BBC America. It is a very fun show. The concept is that they challenge each other each show with the winner getting glory and the loser getting humiliation. Previous episodes the challenges have been who can get themself sickest in a week, who can make a better porno, who is the most attractive to women. Tonight's episode was who could stay the longest in the woods with only a survival knife and the clothing on their back. Spencer won despite sabotage attempts from Ed. The straw that broke Ed's back was that he didn't have a way to carry/hold water to purify it. For the Humiliation, Spencer went to a nice restaurant and had Ed feed him the food. Spencer asked Ed what dessert he would get and Ed flashed the old two finger salute. "Two desserts it is." Spencer countered. Funny stuff. I also think Bryant looks a bit like each of them.

I hate you Phidippides.

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Sunday, April 09, 2006

Table for One

I always enjoy timing film showings, so that one film begins when the other ends. Yesterday had Thank You For Smoking ending right when Inside Man began. Thank You for Smoking was enjoyable, there were plenty of great lines and it was well acted by all. Inside Man was everything Ebert said it was. It took a bit of time to get through it. The acting was fine and there were some great scenes, but the plot just took too much time with a fairly weak payoff. After the films, I thought I'd go check-out a book to read for my supper. Unfortunately I didn't time that well enough, with the Library closing at 6pm, 25 min before I got there.

At Krem le Bistro, I still had the menu to read while waiting for my food. The food wasn't a good value. The Italian Medallions that I had were a poor concept executed even worse. It was three beef medallions breaded with a tomato "salsa." However, it turned out to be a weak eggplant parmagiana substitute. The chai cheesecake with honey and ginger sauce was better, and the chicken tortilla soup was fine, kind of a Mexican French onion soup. A cup is a very efficient dish to serve soup in because the vertical nature keeps the heat well, keeping the last bite just as warm as the first. They tried to class the place up with a live harpist, but I wasn't too impressed by her either. I wouldn't mind trying their bulgur, raisin and pine nut stuffed pepper, but nothing else looks that outstanding.


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Thursday, April 06, 2006

Still Magnolias

The trees in front of our apartment are still magnolias. They didn't change over the winter or decide to die after it was nice and they were rewarded with 10 inches of snow. Maybe Scott will post some pictures when they get really pretty.

The taste of victory is egg nogg and cinnamon ice cream from Ivanna Cone. That was what the winner of the NCAA Championship Tournament Bracket Challenge in the Shipping Department of AdventSource received. That winner happened to be me. Going into the final game, I was tied with one of the student workers, so I thought we should bet on something. So the winner got a gift certificate to Ivanna Cone. I retrieved the booty this evening after work. It was raining and because Colorado blows and Iowa sucks it was windy too, really windy, there was even some small hail a few times.


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At April 07, 2006 9:06 PM, Blogger Karen said...

When you say "booty" did you mean the student worker or the ice cream?

At April 07, 2006 10:48 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

Sadly, I meant the ice cream.


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Wednesday, April 05, 2006

1:02:03 04/05/06

I thought it would be good to blog on this day of ordinality. I have mostly been focussed on running the last while. Monday I ran 5 miles at a 7:27 pace. Today I ran three miles at 7:18; I would have ran more, but when I was pausing to check my heart rate, I accidently hit the stop button, which ended my workout. I suppose I could have done the other two from the start, but I lost my flow, I guess. Friday I'll make up for it with 6 miles at the 7:18 pace, and now that I've told y'all, I hafta. The challenge will be transfering my running to the out of doors and to distances longer than 6 miles. I woulda this last Sunday but it was rainy and I slept in, and I was scared, get off my back will ya.


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