Saturday, May 30, 2009

Pivot Number 10

The questionnaire Bernard Pivot used and James Lipton uses ends with the question "If Heaven exists, what would you like God to say to you when you arrive at the Pearly Gates?"

My previous answer was fairly generic, along the lines of, "Welcome."

Now I have my answer. "Would you make me a pie?"

But what kind of pie would God want? I'm curious what you think.

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At May 31, 2009 6:11 PM, Blogger Ellen said...

peach.

 
At June 01, 2009 11:19 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

The first person I mentioned this to also said peach. So the count is now two for peach and zero for anything else.

 
At June 03, 2009 11:04 PM, Blogger Ellen said...

Nothing else really matters because peach pie is of the gods.

 
At June 03, 2009 11:54 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

One of my student workers made a peach pie and shared a slice with me; it was pretty good.

My initial conversation about this topic also speculated on the use of fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Technically, God would still be able to eat it, but it would probably be forbidden for others, though they would not surely die if they did.

 

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Tuesday, March 25, 2008

"It's the mud. It's the mud."

That might be my favorite pairing from the song "Waters of March." It doesn't have any particular significance to this post, but I listened to my cd today that has about eight or ten different versions of the song, and I thought I'd share.

My reason for this post was our lunar Judeo-Christian extended weekend extravaganza. If you're a Christian, Easter is a big deal because Jesus died and rose again on this weekend. And in so doing, He made it possible to live forever if you believe He did. This brings me to my thought and a question.

It has been said that the first lie is "You shall not surely die." Genesis 3:4. Latter-Day Saint theology/philosophy says it was necessary for Adam and Eve to fall so that they could be removed from their state of innocence and then know joy through their spiritual growth (2 Nephi Chapter 2). So we go from "not dying" being a lie, to having the promise of "everlasting life."

Question: Does this all mesh, or is Gen 3:4 not a lie, or is the promise of eternal life also a lie?

We are so accustomed to disguise ourselves to others that in the end we become disguised to ourselves. -Francois, duc de La Rochefoucauld, moralist
(1613-1680)

PS This is my 300th post.

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At March 26, 2008 11:35 AM, Blogger Angela said...

ooo..the 'of' version is my favorite. she's so cute and delightful at the end.

the theology question i have to think about more.

 
At March 28, 2008 9:38 AM, Blogger Leah said...

Congratulations on your 300th post.

As to the philosophy question: I don't think I can give a good answer, due to my atheistic leanings. However, I think that the story of Adam and Eve from the Christian Bible is more about the question of whether it's better to make mistakes and then enjoy the good stuff more or whether it's better to hold onto one good thing and never search for something better.

I think the Adam/Eve story was written by ancient philosophers to explore this question...is it better to settle for what you have or strike out hoping for something even better?

 
At March 29, 2008 1:56 AM, Blogger Daniel said...

Angela, the 'of' version is my favorite too. I only kept Garfunkel's because it was the best English copy available on YouTube.

Curly Sue, Thanks for your comment, I hope your move goes well. So my guess is that you're a "Prospector" and not a "Settler."

I'm a Settler, in more ways than one. I think it is interesting how eternal life is always tempting; whether you've never known death, or if you know every one you know (including you) will die someday.

So what question are the ancient philosophers exploring with the New Testament tale?

 

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Monday, December 31, 2007

Pirates of Penance

I was listening to Led Zeppelin Four (Runes) today at work, and the part in "Stairway to Heaven" about buying the stairway to Heaven made me think of their dig at the sale of indulgences by the Roman Catholic church. I don't remember the name of the guy that sold indulgences who got under Martin Luther's skin, but it was enough for him to make a big stink about it.

This got me thinking of how you can buy carbon offsets now. What makes them any different than indulgences? And who will be this generation's environmental Martin Luther, propounding a heavenly environmental grace?

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Sunday, December 09, 2007

O Nival Night

I like many Christmas songs, so I've turned to my local soccer mom radio stations more frequently to catch their Christmas format. Today I went to church, and while driving there, O Holy Night played on the radio. The line that I never noticed before that I really like is "Till He appear'd and the soul felt its worth." I was disappointed to find that the 1985 version of The Seventh-day Adventist Hymnal doesn't include the song.

But back to that lyric, it seems to encapsulate the majesty and power of Jesus so efficiently, reflecting its own eloquence. That Jesus came to save all souls and that they recognized not only His ability to save, but also His glory, wells up in them a value previously unknown. His presence carries twofold meaning, that he is there to die for them, and because he is so great, they are also great.

After church, I went to Grateful Bread with Karen, Angela, Katie Carlson, and Ben Yancer. Their menu item of the day was Moroccan Chili Soup. It was very tasty, but not for everyone. Before I got there, Karen was in line and an elderly woman came in and asked if that was the only soup they had. Karen responded that probably it was, which was greeted with disappointment by the woman who whimpered, "It's too spicy for me." as she left.

Then I took a nap and it was Toaster Streudel at Ben and Ashley's. I could only stay there for about an hour though, because I had plans to play Guitar Hero at Hans' with one of our student workers and Lindsay, his girlfriend and my friend. Guitar Hero is a fun game, and I recommend it.

I was watching The World Stands Up on BBC America and a half Native American comic said that for the Indians Thanksgiving Day is called You're Welcome Day. The other thing he said that caught my attention was, "My father is unique. He has a brother who is his identical twin."

Tomorrow I try to make a woven lattice top apple pie.

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At December 10, 2007 1:19 PM, Blogger Karen said...

A friendly reminder: In the future, "Seventh-Day Adventist" should be "Seventh-day Adventist." Someone forgot to check their General Conference style guide!

 
At December 10, 2007 1:20 PM, Blogger Karen said...

P.S. There, I'm back to reading your blog.

 
At December 10, 2007 1:21 PM, Blogger Karen said...

Could you also, in the future, hyperlink my name to my blog? I like the free advertising.

Thanks!

 
At December 10, 2007 1:32 PM, Blogger Karen said...

Oh, I have to retract my first and second comments. I'll start with the second, I was probably more skimming you're blog rather than reading, as you can see from my first comment, that you incorrectly spelled Seventh-day Adventist. Upon closer inspection, I see that it was specifically the title of the hymn book, so I'm certain the "d" was probably displayed upper-case (the commission style guide[which, {of course} I am most currently familiar with] says to upper case only the first letter of the first word in a hyphened pair if the word appears in a title or headline, but perhaps the General Conference style guide recommends otherwise.)

Well, I'm filling in this hour for the receptionist, the phone isn't really ringing too much and I have some free time for commenting. You're welcome.

 
At December 10, 2007 1:41 PM, Blogger Karen said...

What I'm kind of excited about now? The fact that you're going to check your blog page, and maybe think "wow, 5 comments already" Maybe you'll wonder who they are from, for a minute, or maybe you'll just click right in to find that all five are from me.

 
At December 10, 2007 9:04 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

Thank you Karen, for everything really.

You're right about the "-day" thing and the title of the book has a lower case D as well.

 
At December 10, 2007 9:06 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

Speaking of free advertising, you still owe me some cookies, and I've hyperlinked you. I was figuring that whoever wanted to check you out could just go to my side bar, oh well.

 
At December 10, 2007 9:08 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

And I knew it was you that left all the comments because I check my email first and it says who I got the comments from.

However, I wasn't paying much attention and thought that the comments had been left on MySpace and not on Blogger, which made me think they were spam comments, but I'm much happier things were the way they were.

 
At December 12, 2007 3:30 PM, Blogger Jeff said...

Jesus' presence illuminating the value of the soul. Beautiful.

 
At December 13, 2007 12:12 PM, Blogger Karen said...

It's funny you should mention the cookies debt; I was actually planning a trip to the super target for ingredients this evening, provided I can get out of the office, jazzercised, and south target by the time The Office is on. You can expect cookie delivery some time this weekend. What netflix do you have comming in? I mean not that I would have the gumption to invite myself over for a movie or anything--I was just curious. Also, what is the shortcut key for an em dash on a PC?

 
At December 13, 2007 12:32 PM, Blogger Karen said...

Special note to readers: The only reason I am using a PC currently is that, once again I am filling in for the receptionist, and while I do have the MacBook Pro laptop with me, it is currently busy deleting a trial version of Adobe InDesign CS3 so that it can be downloaded and reinstalled again.

 
At December 13, 2007 12:34 PM, Blogger Karen said...

Special Note to Readers: Apparently deleting previous trial versions of Adobe InDesign CS3 does not erase Adobe's memory of you already downloading a trial version. Does anyone know a way around this? I really don't want to ask the IT department.

 

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Sunday, August 19, 2007

Proverbs 22: 6

So last night, I watched Knocked Up. Its characters are focused on creating an environment to bring a child into. There is a bit of a montage at the end where they are taking their daughter to the park and swinging with her on the playset, but mainly, it stops where the real parenting begins.

Then today while driving back from flag football practice and scrimmage, I was thinking how much I love playing football and how that love has influenced decisions in my life.

I played little league football when I was in Fourth Grade (side note: there is not a Grade Four in Ukraine) in Wheeling, IL, a suburb of Chicago. I was part of the Wheeling Sooners and rode my yellow mountain bike with my pads hanging from a one handle bar throwing off my balance to every practice. I guess for my dedication, the coach chose me to run through the paper hoop first for our "homecoming" game. The actual event was not as glamorous as I had hoped, as I tripped on the hoop and ran for about fifteen yards with my torso parallel to the ground trying to get my balance before I did a little forward roll. This was the start. I played offensive line and line backer and we went 1-9 that season.

My next organized play was in Doland, SD in 7th and 8th grade. These were the salad days, and we were a pretty good team on our Monday afternoon games. Then the summer after my eighth grade year I decided to be baptized because I wanted to be part of the Remnant before the 12 o' clock hour. High School football games are generally played on Friday nights (the start of Sabbath). So in order to continue my athletic career and my spiritual walk, I decided to go to DAA where I wouldn't have a conflict between the Sabbath and football, even if it was just flag.

Eight years earlier Hans Widicker, my current boss, was playing high school football for Bowdon High on Thursday nights, an arrangement made specifically for him, and his brother who was two years ahead. Hans also played basketball and missed District games that were played on Saturday. From what I can gather, Hans was talented enough to play after high school at least at a small college. But college ball is played on Saturdays, so to maintain his witness to a community that broke traditions for his Faith; he went to Union. This is still a bit of a sore subject with Hans, and understandably so.

Back to my thoughts during my drive home from practice:
Considering my history, how do I raise my child to navigate the conflict between their passions and their faith? Do I bring faith to them at all, or do I fuel their hobbies at the exclusion of God? And separate from their hobbies, How do I incorporate spirituality, if I decide to, at all?

My present answers to these questions:

I will let them choose how to blend their faith and vocations. I will introduce faith and God as someone who they can always turn to when everyone else has let them down or isn't around for support. I'll lean on the church as an institution to help incorporate spirituality, while encouraging them to question and search for their own answers.

I'm interested in what your answers are to these questions, especially those that are married or are planning to be.

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At August 20, 2007 12:09 PM, Blogger Ellen said...

How about not having kids?

 
At August 20, 2007 12:15 PM, Blogger CëRïSë said...

Your description of your dedicatory fall was beautiful; having played only one season of flag football but being an inveterate faller, I could totally identify.

I have absolutely nothing to offer as far as kids and values.

 
At August 20, 2007 12:50 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

But if I don't have kids, who will I force all my hopes and dreams on?

 

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Saturday, July 14, 2007

Jagshemash!

A maybe better title would be "Salvation a la Mode and a Cup of Tea," but I really wanted to use this post's title on my previous untitled post, so I'm gonna use it now.

I had a full day today. I got out of bed at a quarter to 8 and went to the Farmer's Market, where I purchased not only a couple pounds of rhubarb but also a rhubarb plant. Yes you read that correctly, I'm going to be responsible for a life other than my own. Amy is inspirational. I'd like to maybe not put it in the ground and increase its growth before I let it go dormant. It will take some research and time, but I've made the plunge; can't back out now.

On the way back from the market there was a nice woman with a Basset hound sitting in front of The Mill. I walked past, and then I realized I wanted to know its name.

So I went back, "Excuse me ma'am, what is your dog's name?"

"Oliver."

"Wonderful, thank you."

I've decided that in addition to "collecting" names like Pornsook Tantrarungroj. I'm going to accumulate dogs and their names. If you would like to assist me, please feel free to submit the breed of dog and its name whenever; a quick comment on this or my other blog will be all that is necessary. The other dog that planted this seed of interest was a blue weimaraner named Dexter, who is owned by my sister's 4-H dog training instructor's daughter. I met him the first weekend in July at West Bend. I also met a Visla/Laborador mix named Reba.

Quickly a few other dogs I know right now:

Walker Treeing Coon Hound, Slade
Blue Tick Coon Hound, Hank

French Mastiff, Captain Jack
fat German Short-hair Pointer, Mustafa "Mus"
St Bernard, Colbert "Bear"
mostly Golden Lab, Molly
German Shepherd, Molly
German Shepherd, Smokey
black Lab, Remington
chocolate Lab, Dakota
Lab/Retriever mix, Max
puff ball, Ernie
Husky, Kodi
Pomeranian, Foxy

Now near the bus stop, I sat at a bench to read the Saturday paper I snagged from atop the newspaper vending machine (This is better than the law firm I stole one from last week. Apparently the delivery persons are fined if they get too many complaints. Thanks Ashley.). I was reading the paper when I noticed a butterfly on the ground next to my foot. It slowly crawled onto my shoe and since its right wing was torn a bit near the bottom; I waited for it to die. It was a yellow Tiger Swallowtail (Papilio glaucus). I decided I was going to wait an hour, and if it wasn't dead by then, I was going to take it home with me. Instead Jose and Joshua, two Catholics from Miami and Dallas respectively, wanted to share with me the happiness and peace they have found in following Jesus. At some point during our discussion, the butterfly flew. :(


Their main reason for me to follow Jesus was to bring myself happiness and fill the emptiness in my heart. I respect their desire to share what they have found to work for them and their ability to not be belligerent in their efforts. Jose identified Original Sin as Selfishness, or Egoism, manifested by wanting to be our own god. I asked how the self love that drives us to want a good life from following Jesus is different from the selfishness of Original Sin. After they left, I thought this was still a good question: What is the line between Self Love and Self ish?

Since I had no butterfly to wait for, I went home, showered, called Wendy, and toured (links on left progress you through the tour) the State Capitol Building. Then we went to a Chinese restaurant and finally Ivanna Cone.

At Ivanna Cone, I had the Meadowlark Sherbert (lavender, honey, lemon, and herbal tea) I had spurned last Tuesday when I went there with Michael, Buffy, and Deidra. I enjoyed it.

Once home alone, I was looking through the classifieds and saw this ad:

BLUE brindle & blue fawn, 7 wks. old, MUST SEE!

I concurred, so I called the number and went over to the owner's apartment directly. They were pit bull pups, and according to the owner, since their eyes are still blue, they will stay that way. There was a stocky boy and a girl pup that were blue with the brindle markings. The girl came up to me of her own accord, but if I were to get one, I would prefer the boy. I think I might be able to talk the guy down to $100, but I'm still reluctant to bring a puppy, or any dog for that matter, into my current apartment. And in case you were wondering, his "blue fawns" didn't seem very blue to to me.

Last night I had a Rogue Morimoto Black Obi Soba Ale. I liked it. According to the Rogue website, soba, or buckwheat, is a member of the rhubarb family. I can't tell you how much this news excites me.

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At July 15, 2007 9:56 AM, Blogger Karen said...

Ok, HELLO why were Slade and Hank left off the dogs you know list. Do you need to spend more quality time with them? Cause that can be arranged.

 
At July 15, 2007 1:06 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

I KNOW, I'm so sorry Karen; I realized it as soon as I woke up today, and I'm going to edit my post right now.

 
At July 17, 2007 8:44 PM, Blogger Kate Lechler said...

Do you have doglust? Because I do. It began about a year ago and has steadily increased. Alas, the apartment I took won't let me have a dog, so I have to put off that dream for another year. But here are some dogs I know: A lab named Summer. A boxer/mutt named Atticus. A big hound named Molly. A chihuahua named Peso. A brown lab/mutt named Hershey. And a Great Dane named Fortinbras (they got that one wrong, but it's still clever).

 
At July 17, 2007 9:26 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

Katie, I live 9 blocks from your new place. Anytime you need puppy, Bear will be happy to walk you. He weighs a good 50 pounds more than you, but he's all love. Mostly he is good for getting rid of wanting a puppy fever, you'll be over it in no time!

 
At July 18, 2007 1:39 PM, Blogger Ben said...

I wish you luck with your rhubarb plant. I bought one online a couple months ago. It came, not as a plant, and not as a bulb, but it was like a bulb, just bigger. Anyhow, and I planted it, and it was growing nicely. Had three red stalks. Until it died. Shriveled up and died. It was sad. I haven't really talked about it with anyone until now.

I still hold the dream of growing my own rhubarb dear in my heart. May the dream come true for you.

I may or may not be in town on Thursday evening, because I may or may not be driving down to Tennessee, which means I may or may not be able to come to beanbags. I'll let you know.

 
At July 20, 2007 10:07 AM, Blogger Ashley Barber said...

The dogs that my family currently loves are: Trink (short for Trinket, she was the runt of her litter) and Oscar (Trink's son). They are both Lhasa Apso and in my altogether biased opinion, the best dogs to have. I'm a dog lover though so I'm sure that I'll love my next dog, whatever it's make/model nearly as much. If you're interested, I plan to name my next dog Taco if it's temperament fits (Fits what? I don't know).

Also, if you'd like to know, most pictures of Lhasas that you'll find when searching on Google are too froofy to be my Trink and Oscar. My two are rarely combed, brushed, and never have bows in their hair. Instead they're more like ratty, floor mops but of course, lovable. (By the way, if you search for Lhasa Apso on Wikipedia the last picture on the page (8 mo. pup) is nearly exactly what both my dogs looked like as puppies. Who can pass that up?)

Ok, that's enough. All you asked for was their names.

 
At July 22, 2007 5:35 PM, Blogger Buffy Turner said...

That's so funny about the buckwheat.

 

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Saturday, May 19, 2007

It's an Orangy Sky *

Today at first service, Tom Nazarenus gave the message, because he is in town to give the Baccalaureate address for the CVA graduation ceremonies. The message was titled 1,2,3,4 . . . because that is sometimes how many times it takes us to answer God's call. He provided examples of different people in the Bible who were called by God: Peter, Saul, Moses, Noah, and Samuel (It was the fourth time that God called Samuel that he responded.). Tom then mentioned that while at the academy kids would tell him that they felt called by God, but that they didn't know to what. Tom made the point that God calls us to follow Him--everything else will work itself out. [For those who know/care about Tom and his wife Lisa, they are moving soon to TN where she will be a licensed practitioner nurse in her father's practice.]

Then Pastor Keith Jacobson got up and said that the rumours of his departure were true. He and his family will be taking the pastorate in the Carmichael church in Sacramento, CA, a position he had rejected twice before. In January, his wife said that if No. Cal. asked again they should take a look because her mother is getting older and it would be good to be closer to her. In February, that third call came. Also in consideration of family, the Jacobson's son Zach said that he would move back home if they went to Sacramento. There you have it.

Last night I went to a concert by the LoCash Cowboys. They were very entertaining and diverse in their efforts. They covered Violent Femmes, Sublime, Prince, Lipps Co., Kool and the Gang, Def Leppard, Michael Jackson, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Alabama, Charlie Daniels Band, The Beastie Boys, Snoop Dogg, Steve Miller Band, and others I'm forgetting. Their own songs were also entertaining.

* Lyric from a Cars song, Bye Bye Love, that I could never decipher before. Another nice line is "with your eyes of porcelain and blue."

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At May 19, 2007 6:18 PM, Blogger Angela said...

and that is why we didn't see you at the farmer's market. it was like church down there too. consuming fire sang. the crowds gathered and smiled and shopped. okay. it's not like really like church, but it felt spiritual.

 
At May 19, 2007 6:24 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

Yes, I debated going to the farmer's market before church, but my body wasn't letting me. I did have plenty of pseudo-dream in which I explained myself to you and others though.

 
At May 24, 2007 5:38 PM, Blogger CëRïSë said...

I love the Cars. Also, do they have any idea who will pastor CVC now? I wonder if it will be another protracted search.

 
At May 25, 2007 12:22 AM, Blogger Daniel said...

Well, I'm sure there is much rumour and speculation, and it will also be another protracted search, but the circumstances of some of their favorites from last time have changed, so they might have a starting point (example: Andy McDonald of Florida Hospital, his children are now at Southern and not in academy anymore.)

But really, Scott would be the one to ask because he was on the last search committee if memory serves me correctly.

 

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Wednesday, May 02, 2007

Labels

So I've taken the time to label all of my beta-blogger posts. So now if you click on any of the labels you'll be able to see all of the posts that included that topic. Most frequent labels are beer, ice cream, movie (don't ask why I didn't go with "movies."), Spirituality, and names. Feel free to take advantage of the work I've done to archive my life.

Some names:

John Butarbutar

Georges Razafindrabe

Christo Bezuidenhout

Georges is from France, Christo works at SDA Language Institute in So. Korea.

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At May 02, 2007 7:45 PM, Blogger CëRïSë said...

Oooh, I bet Georges is Malagasy. We had a visiting artist from Madagascar when I was at Bowling Green, and his last name was Razafindrakoto.

I really like C.S. Lewis, including The Great Divorce; David James Duncan has a (much shorter!) section in The Brothers K that explores sort of similar terrain; have you read it?

 
At May 02, 2007 10:08 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

I have read The Brothers K, but I don't remember the part that touches on the similar terrain. Feel free to refresh my memory though.

 
At May 03, 2007 1:41 PM, Blogger CëRïSë said...

It's Kade's dream about the Kingdom, with the train of tourists. The sky is slightly overcast, with maybe a 60% chance of rain, and rays of light coming down ("to me this seemed overdone"). I can't quote it exactly because my copy is at home, but I liked the distinctly Northwesterner's description of the place--and the boy Kade sees in the bottom of the pool. ...Remember?

 

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Tuesday, May 01, 2007

Pivot and Tooltime

When I'm browsing television during commercials, I'll often flip to Inside the Actor's Studio with James Lipton with about ten or fifteen minutes left because that is when he administers Bernard Pivot's Proustian questionnaire (I don't know why it is called such. Blame Wiki).

After waxing philosophic on Galaxy Quest, Lipton and Tim Allen did the question thing. I was very impressed by his answer to the final question: If Heaven exists, what do you want God to say to you when you arrive at the Pearly Gates? His answer, "I told you there was nothing to be afraid of."

Part of the lore of God's Mercy is that people who wouldn't enjoy Heaven don't have to be there. He is merciful because he spares them an eternity in what to them would be Hell. It is not just once that I've reflected on my feelings toward someone and concluded that they should be in Heaven and I don't like them.

John Rivera blogged on MySpace recently about his return to Hawaii and how Ellen White thought that might be much like what Heaven will be, yet it was just a place he didn't much care for, given its outside naturey stuff and tropical weather. He concludes:

Heaven is one of those crazy speculated places that I don't feel any of us know much about. I've heard there are gold paved streets and some trees and no seas, but other that, most of it is speculation. A lot of what I hear of heaven even scares me -- I hear there are going to be tons of people there that I may have to socialize with, and that there isn't going to be any steak. I want to go though. Even with all of those scary trees and squirrels, even if it's hot all the time and there isn't any snow, even if I'd be relegated to never living in the city again and have to be stuck in the forest for the rest of my life, I want to go. There's somebody I need to see.


So Heaven is scary. I'm scared of Heaven too; that is why I'm not taking steps to get there. There is also a line of thinking that Heaven begins here on Earth (it ends here too), and if you want to go to Heaven you should start practicing now. C.S. Lewis' The Great Divorce does much to characterize the personalities he thinks will and won't complete the journey to Reality. (It is a quick read if you are interested in this topic.) One foundation of a lot of those that don't make it is their selfishness.

I'm selfish. The irony is that one who wants for themself doesn't want the idealization of eternity, or can't exist in such a place.

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Sunday, February 25, 2007

Why Not?

God is good, all the time. All the time, God is good.

Maybe not. What if God isn't benevolent? What if He is actually malevolent? Or just volent?

The question many people struggle with is why God would allow good people to suffer. I think the struggle with this issue of suffering comes with an assumption that God is nice; the disconnect is why a nice entity would permit bad things. But if God isn't nice, then there isn't a conflict. Suffering and malady is often explained away as an obstacle that God places in front of us so that we can grow spiritually. That is actually an integral part of Latter Day Saint theology, as I understand it. It seems like that perspective is a choice based on a desire for God to be good.

I don't desire God to be anything, but I find the opposite perspective interesting. There is plenty of evidence otherwise that God isn't nice. Take, for example, His chosen people, the Jews. There are other groups of people that have suffered, but I'm guessing not to the prolonged historical degree that they have. The Old Testament is one long record of their oppression and suffering.

This perspective then shifts everything else. If God is not good, and possibly even mean, all spiritual success is then solely incumbent on people. They succeed inspite of God. However, I think people, that spiritual success relies on, derive that success from a belief that God is good. I could be wrong though, maybe someone who thinks God is against them, would strive to acheive success to overcome that.

Lungile Sinandile

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At February 26, 2007 7:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had a professor once who wrote on the board, "God is good." He then told us to define one of those words. I think we all chose "is". It was much easier.

Growing up, I always heard/was taught that the very definition of God was good, the devil was bad, and all forces related to that.

I'm not so sure I agree with that, now I'm more in the Eastern religion camp. I guess it all boils down to the meanings of good and evil. To me, good is when there is no bad, or less bad.

I really don't believe that a God really determines as much as people blame/give him credit for.

Karma, now that is a philosophy I can get behind.

 
At February 26, 2007 11:49 AM, Blogger bryant said...

The first paragraph of anonymous' comment is interesting to me. If we define good by the character of God and Its actions, than perhaps our understanding of good is incorrect. If "God is good all the time", than it follows that everything that happens is good.

Although I'm not willing to say that persecution of Jews is a good thing, perhaps a lot of things we consider bad are actually good.

Or maybe the very idea of good and bad are simply categories defined by humans to help us understand our own feelings and experiences, especially those we find disagreeable. As a hormone driven creature this seems like the most parsimonious explanation to me.

 

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Monday, January 01, 2007

A Taste of the Word Hoard

Now the whole earth had one language and one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there. Then they said to one another, "Come let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They had brick for stone, and they had asphalt for mortar. And they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth."

But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built. And the Lord said, "Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. Come let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."

So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city. Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.
Genesis 11:1-9 NKJV emphasis mine.

Growing up, I was always taught that God confused language because the people blasphemed by building a tower so that they wouldn't drown in another flood; they had no faith in the Rainbow. Without going to any of the provided cross-references, my most recent reading of this passage reveals more ire with the gathering of people and the power they have when they can communicate clearly. (Generally, the passage seems a bit apocryphal too, but I'm not an authority, or even student enough, of the topic to make that judgement either.) Methinks God wanted to keep man down, and keep him separated too (cue The Offspring). Now there could be legitimate reasons for this like preventing disease, an excuse for circumscision in a desert environment, or populating all the corners of the earth. But it seems arbitrary to me, like the requirement of a blood sacrifice from Cain and Abel.

So, if God makes us impotent and separate by muddling our language, does clarifying our language empower and unite us? Speaking the same language sure would be a start to that end.

Don't get me wrong, I revel in the myriad grammars, phonemes, and lexicons. For example, there is a language that has a case that indicates the responsibility of an action. They have a different way to write the word for "I fell down." (and it was my fault) and "I fell down." (and it wasn't my fault). But what is so wrong about being powerful and united? I might forego some variety to that end. Sure someone said learning another language is like gaining a second soul, but what will I do with another soul?

What do you think?

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006

Aftermath

So the Mormons were a half hour late last night. We talked some more about 2 Nephi, starting around verse 22. and how Mormons require transgression and God who commanded Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply, and also to not touch the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Nephi says that they had to lose their innocence to know joy and to have children. So God is commanding them to not lose their innocence and also commanding them to do something that requires their loss of innocence. I don't like this. I believe they were capable of procreation in their pre-Fall state. The Mormons also justify these conflicting commandments by saying He was giving them an opportunity to use their agency, and if they hadn't transgressed the plan of salvation, which was prepared before the foundations of the world, wouldn't be able to start rolling. I say that is victim fishing and that sin would have been finished with a "No!" by Eve's free agency with no need for the plan of salvation.

So that is where we were at then end of a half hour. As promised, I asked them what their goal was from meeting with me. They want what they always want, for me to read and pray over the veracity of the Book of Mormon. I told them I have already done that and I really don't want to, but I have it if I do have that hankering. They then asked me what my goal was in meeting with them. This surprised me, but I replied that I find it important to give people a chance to have their say, and paraphrased this quote from Keats:

The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing -- to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts. -John Keats, poet (1795-1821)

That seemed to satisfy them and after closing prayer they were off.

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At September 20, 2006 10:54 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

You are one odd boy. It's good to have goals though.

 
At September 22, 2006 4:02 PM, Blogger Karen said...

you're just toying with their emotions. I think I'll hit something else this week and I was toying with the idea of early service at piedmont, let me know if you're up for that kind of adventure. That goes for you 2 voth.

 
At September 23, 2006 6:15 PM, Blogger CëRïSë said...

"Victim fishing." =)

 
At September 26, 2006 8:42 PM, Blogger Wishydig said...

I would have liked to pursue the question of what they want. What do they believe regarding the spreading of their gospel? I'm sure at some point in your previous session of meetings with them you entertained the topic of salvation and/or its various forms. Do they feel a need to simply share or a need to convert as well? Would they state it so graciously as a simple interest in seeing you (and others of course) accept the truth -- as defined by their faith? Might they have to admit that because of the history of your investigation with them they see you as a possible convert and their nubile maidens are looking for a few more good men? Or is it just natural for any culture to keep score of "those with us" vs "those not with us" in an attempt to find justification through accord?

 
At October 04, 2006 6:23 PM, Blogger Jeff said...

It's good to be reading your blog again!

 

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Thursday, June 22, 2006

A New Bedtime Story

Michael recommended A. Graham Maxwell to me a while ago. I finally tracked him down, and I really liked what I read, so I got a couple of his books. Until I read those, here is a pdf of an interview that I found refreshing in its perspective on Christ's death. If you don't wanna read the whole thing, which is a shame, it becomes more pertinent around page six and really juicy at page eight.

For me, Maxwell takes a few principles about God and his nature, like freedom and truth and intolerance for sin, and follows them to their conclusions for this question, but also applies them so easily to many others. I love this approach; it is how I play Othello. This is why my wavering on the cross led me to the origin of the necessity for blood sacrifice. I couldn't answer my question until the foundations were understood. That is why even though it doesn't specifically apply to why Jesus had to die. Maxwell's discussion of justice is germane. Amen.

Tonight I saw a Ford Escape. I also noticed it was a Limited edition. I find irony in the existence of a Limited Escape. A bit like the Dodge Ram.

(sidenote: In Arrested Development, George Sr. who has escaped from prison using the stair car is at a car dealership looking at the new models. He is told by the dealer that they don't have the Bronco anymore because they are trying to get way from the fugitive mystique. The dealer then proceeds to show George Sr. the Escape.)

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At June 23, 2006 4:29 PM, Blogger Wishydig said...

i'm glad to see that you've engaged with some of his ideas. i get little dizzy considering his arguments because of the strange places where he and i agree and disagree.

we end up in about the same place because of some our shared premises about logical/necessary conclusions and rational assumptions - but in the middle there we depart on some views that many would call basic. such things as biblical authority and parable vs history.

what i like best about his approach is that it's not linear and completely dependant on being perfectly balanced on a single stilt. he approaches his arguments from several directions - all of them reasonable.

 

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Friday, May 12, 2006

Answers and More Part Two

Jeff and Amy both mentioned my kowtowing statement in their comments, so I guess it deserves more clarification because it touches on other things.

RESPECT. By kowtow, I meant servile deference and from fawn: obsequious (to follow) behaviour. And a God who chases humans around with his love hoping they'll take it from him is obsequious and servile. But, thanks to some clarification from Jeff, God doesn't do that, so he isn't servile or obsequious or fawning. He is steadfast and powerful and loving. I can and do respect that. Amy, you thought if I were God that I wouldn't kowtow to humans. I probably wouldn't, but that doesn't mean I'd be a good God, and I think we're all fortunate I'm not.

VALUE. I'll try to make the last part of my previous post a bit clearer, hopefully Ockam won't get me. I'll rephrase by saying, "I don't find my value in the fact that God sacrificed his son for me." Jeff, you're right that my possibility comes from the Creator. [While the previous assumption about unrequited love being more valuable has been debunked, I'll continue to defend my reasoning. I figured rejected love was more valuable, so if I accepted God's love instead of rejecting it, that made it less valuable. So according to that thinking, identifying yourself by a love you have devalued by accepting it doesn't make sense. That is why I don't identify myself by God's love for me. I hope I provided more answers than questions.]

MORE. I talked about my disillusionment before in the "Jeremy Birge" post. Now I'll talk a bit about my beginning and a different disillusionment. I was baptised the summer before my freshman year. I chose to be baptised because I wanted to be part of the Remnant (there was a Prophecy Seminar the previous autumn from our pastor.) We were in the eleventh hour of eschatological time. I didn't want to miss out. The problem with this was that ten years later I don't have that urgency, and since I was baptised into the second, not first, advent part of Seventh-Day Adventism, I'm left with not much. When I was baptised, I didn't really accept what I should have as a baptismal candidate, Christ's sacrifice. This continued from that point. I've never prayed to Jesus, always God. So I understand my circumstances have come from my past and my honesty, or lack thereof, with what I truly believe. Which brings us to . . .

BELIEF. To me belief is an acceptance of an intangible based on evidence. Faith is acceptance of an intangible in spite of evidence. Faith is important, as hope is important. I believe in God and have faith in many aspects of Him. A lot of my evidence of God comes from my ability to reason. I've also felt strong emotion during worship which I attribute at least partly to God. I also hope that there is a god, which is my main exercise in faith.

Vansittart Huggins

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At May 17, 2006 8:13 PM, Blogger Jeff said...

Hello from the Loveland Public Library. I came home early because of health problems. CEB continues to git-r-dun in Seoul.

Interesting.

"I also hope that there is a god, which is my main exercise in faith." There's a lot I'd like to respond to, but my time is pretty limited on this comp.

Yeah, faith seems to be a basic part of humanity. The thing that separates us from animals (or so anthropologists tell us). The faith impulse is so amazing. There is nothing in evolution to have produced the need for faith. And like I said, the Evo Psych class at UNL tried to deal with it. "Homo-Early-Erectus sees effect, but doesn't see cause. There must be a cause, so H.E.E. invents spirits to explain it." So goes the "formula." But why would, for the first time, the evolutionized brain reach for an invisible answer? Why would the evolved brain ever think that something invisible could exist? There was nothing in evolving that would like to such a hypothesis. So here we are with this faith impulse (in fact, I'd say we can never get away from it, because we always have faith in something... until suicide. And then I guess we have faith that suicide can cure more problems than it causes). Every society has had a religious dimension... Science, rooted in religion, led to the first group of people with "evidence" that we have no need of god, no reason to believe in god.

But then there it is, Those Six Numbers, That Uncause Cause, The Uncanny Spiritual Experiences Known the World Over... There really is evidence if we want it.

And I'm way off now, not taking time to edit. Almost none of this has anything to do with what you said...

Because we can find evidence for almost anything we want. Show me one theory of psychology or science that doesn't have evidence to the contrary. There is ample evidence for what we want to believe...

SO... why do humans want to believe in a divine? I think it's because the divine has placed the desire in us. We were created to want to know IT.

In my unedited, thrown-together thoughts.

Yeah, I feel the impulse. Voth feels it. You feel it. And I think there is good reason.

Peace,
Jeff

 

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Tuesday, May 09, 2006

Answers and More Part One

I thank all who commented on my Another Try post. Your comments and concerns are very appreciated. I hope to address some of the latter here.

I realize I don't live in a vacuum. I know that I have family and friends that are interested in what I believe and think, especially when those beliefs and thoughts are in conflict with their own. I might have mentioned this before in a follow-up comment, but I want to reiterate that my beliefs don't derive from any of my experiences with other Christians, and actually if they did, I'd probably be finishing up in the Seminary right now. I have many friends and family members whose faith in Christ I admire, and envy. BUT I don't think God wants me to believe based on others, but from my own thoughts and experience with Him.

Since my last post on this topic, I've been reading again from Clive Lewis' Mere Christianity, namely book two What Christians Believe. Page 52 at the end of chapter 3 in that book:
I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him( Christ):'I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept His claim to be God.' That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic--on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg--or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a man or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at his feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronising nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.

I agree. So instead of going with what I said earlier about Jesus being a great moral teacher. I'm going to have to go with one of the other two choices.

Page 55: We are told that Christ was killed for us, that His death has washed out our sins, and that by dying He disabled death itself. That is the formula. That is Christianity. That is what has to be believed.

That is not what I believe.

Terri wanted to share 1 John 5 with me. Verses 1 and 5: Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him.
5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?


I believe the first verse says if you believe Jesus is the saviour you are born of God and also that if you love God you also love Jesus, and yourself since you are born of God if you believe Christ (a bit circular). And as for the fifth verse, I'm not really looking to overcome the world.

Jeff made some good points and asked some good questions which I'll try to do justice to now. LOVE. I agree with you Jeff and thank you for your perspective. It makes sense that God, who is unchanging, would have love that is also unchanging. I guess the pill I have a hard time swallowing is that the Crucifixion is the best manifestation of that love.

I've been working on this post since Tuesday, I'll give you what I have now and be assured I'm not done. Til part two. TTFN

Dale Vassantachart

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At May 12, 2006 11:30 PM, Blogger Jeff said...

"BUT I don't think God wants me to believe based on others, but from my own thoughts and experience with Him."

Yeah. That makes a lot of sense to me.

"I guess the pill I have a hard time swallowing is that the Crucifixion is the best manifestation of that love."

I'll be interested to see how you work this one out over time. Everyone has a different perspective with different experiences. At this point, I think it was either His ONLY way to manifest it, or it doesn't make sense to me.

If it was the only way to show love... then WHY? If it wasn't the only way... then WHY? Both ways take some sharp reasoning that seem to be one part formula, one part passion. I'll keep checking in once in a while to see where the journey is going.

Another thought about formulas. I think all systems of belief (science, philosophy, religions...) have set formulas for most questions that they deem important. Some formulaic answers might be right, and some might be wrong. But probably all of them need to be personally re-examined for them to mean anything to us. My evolutionary psychology professor at UNL certainly had his formula answers. Maybe they were right, maybe not (you probably have a good idea about what I thought of some of his formula answers, but that goes in a direction that is tangential to the main ideas in this post).

And two other questions. Why did the Jews want Him dead? And if He was God, why did He let them do it? What we decide about those questions can lead to different overall conclusions, I think.

One part listening, one part nosey, Jeff

 
At May 16, 2006 11:17 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

I think the Buddhists have the best def. of love. I also struggle with the idea of the death of Jesus being the only way to manifest gds love. If he is GD, there must have been another way.

The death of someone, even if they later rise from the dead, doesn't make me happy. Pain in others also doesn't make me happy. Well, ok, pain resulting in death, I am a bit guilty of schadenfreude. Anyway, here is the Buddhist philosophy I can't argue with...


LOVE

The definition of love in Buddhism is: wanting others to be happy.
This love is unconditional and it requires a lot of courage and acceptance (including self-acceptance).
The "near enemy" of love, or a quality which appears similar, but is more an opposite is: conditional love (selfish love).
The opposite is wanting others to be unhappy: anger, hatred.
A result which one needs to avoid is: attachment.

 
At June 06, 2006 4:13 PM, Blogger Piiwite said...

I'm on a roll today...

The Clive Lewis comment is really "inside the box". It's the type of argument that can only make sense if both parties view the bible as a truthful historical document free of bias, error, editing, etc. If both parties agree on that much, then the debate is already concluded.

There is a very real possibility that the biblical record of the life of the person we now refer to as Jesus is not entirely accurate. Just because people claim that the bible is the official record of the one true god, doesn't mean it really is...

 

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Friday, April 28, 2006

Another Try

Alright, I'm gonna save this draft every other sentence.

I mentioned plenty about what I don't believe or know, now for some of what I do.

Angela said that he loves me. This I know. As I was thinking about the Cross, I tried to find some loophole that didn't require Jesus to die to cover our sins (much like I'm eager for evidence that the "Spirit of Prophecy" isn't or doesn't have to be Ellen White.) After coming up empty there, I thought about why God sacrificed his son. It is because he loves us and wants to have us live with him forever, so much that even if no one accepts his gift, he still gives it. Which love is greater, requited or unrequited? I'm guessing that the love that is rejected is greater. What makes us worthy of God killing his son for us? His love. We are valuable because God loves us. Here is where I depart. I find his love quite literally pathetic. I have a hard time respecting a God that kowtows to measly humans like a puppy. Our value comes from God's love, but his love is greater if we reject it? I don't believe I get my value from who loves me. I believe any value I have comes from who I am, what I'm capable of doing, thinking, and becoming.

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At April 28, 2006 9:14 AM, Blogger CëRïSë said...

"For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy" (Revelation 19:10). I think that should count as evidence that it doesn't have to be Ellen White--in whom I don't believe either.

 
At April 28, 2006 12:35 PM, Blogger Ellen said...

you're over thinking this. if there is a god and a heaven and if you wind up at the gates of god's heaven, just say you were joking about the whole "over thinking" thing. i'm sure god will understand and have a good laugh with you.

 
At April 28, 2006 1:59 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

I still believe in God, just not the Christian one. And I am also just saying what I believe, I disagree with how I understand Christianity, but that doesn't make it wrong. I'm fine with being wrong, burn me up.

 
At April 28, 2006 2:00 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

I meant to say, I disagree with the Christianity I understand.

 
At April 28, 2006 5:33 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

This is a little late, but I think it will explain easter to your liking...

http://www.paulandstorm.com/sounds/easter.mp3

 
At May 01, 2006 2:07 AM, Blogger Jeff said...

A few questions & comments:

1. LOVE
"I'm guessing that the love that is rejected is greater."
"Our value comes from God's love, but his love is greater if we reject it?"

I have a hard time accepting this view of love. I'm more comfortable with, "We can't earn God's love because he already loves us completely. We can't lose God's love because he'll love us the same even if we reject him." Unconditional love has to be just that, unconditional (whether accepted or rejected). However, I do see a difference between unconditional love and unconditional forgiveness, but that would like to a previous discussion that I don't want to pursue right now.

I think the Bible teaches us to love our enemies because our Creator does the same. Love him or hate him, hug him or nail him, he's still offering all the love he has.

2. RESPECT
"I have a hard time respecting a God that kowtows to measly humans like a puppy."

I don't understand this part. If you have time, I'm interested to read an explanation.

3. VALUE
"I believe any value I have comes from who I am, what I'm capable of doing, thinking, and becoming."

But isn't the capacity for doing, thinking, and becoming given by the Creator (Christian or non-Christian Gd)? So the value would still ultimately come from God. Either way, how does the consideration diminish God's love, or God's character, or our value? I'm don't see the connection yet. Did I misunderstand where you were going with it?

 
At May 01, 2006 12:07 PM, Blogger Amy said...

When I read your statement about God in His pathetic love kowtowing to us humans like a puppy, what I imagined you thinking was this, "If I were God, I wouldn't kowtow to measly humans." By "kowtowing to humans" I assume you mean that He allows us to influence Him, He withholds judgment, He allows us to ignore what He says and choose to go another way. A God that did not do this would not be a God of love, but a god of power. The Christian God is, of course, a God of limitless power, but power without love is self-serving power. He wouldn't have created us to choose, He would have created us to serve Him against our will. If Satan were God (I don't know if you believe in Satan either, but go with me anyway) he would not "kowtow" to anyone I am sure. You can imagine for yourself what a world ruled by that kind of god would look like. (I think of Aslan v. the White Witch in Narnia, somehow.) You can respect power, but limitless power and limitless love is a combination that quite literally brings tears to my eyes.

All I have to say is thank Goodness for pathetic love.

P.S. According to the following definitions, I don't agree that God kowtows to anyone. Perhaps if you could offer examples or explanations, as Jeff suggested, it would clarify things. Also, if I mistook your meanings or feelings feel free to set me straight.

Kowtow (according to bartleby.com)
1. To kneel and touch the forehead to the ground in expression of deep respect, worship, or submission, as formerly done in China. 2. To show servile deference. See synonyms at fawn1

Fawn (ibid)
1. To exhibit affection or attempt to please, as a dog does by wagging its tail, whining, or cringing. 2. To seek favor or attention by flattery and obsequious behavior.
SYNONYMS: fawn1, apple-polish, bootlick, kowtow, slaver1, toady, truckle These verbs mean to curry favor by behaving obsequiously and submissively:

 
At May 04, 2006 7:38 PM, Blogger Karen said...

I think you're saying that you're fine with being wrong because secretly you believe you are right.

 
At May 07, 2006 6:39 PM, Blogger Angela said...

i look forward to your return to writing. i miss you.

 
At May 08, 2006 9:26 AM, Blogger Terri said...

Daniel, yesterday in talking with Amy she told me I should read your blog because she was quite disturbed at your announcement that you were a "seven day agnostic". And I have to say I was quite shocked. You and Scott have always held a special place in my heart and I felt as if one of my children had told me that they didn't believe in Christ. I didn't know if I should comment in your blog or not. I'm not very good at putting my thoughts into words but when I went to have my devotions this morning my Bible fell open to I John 5 and as I started to read it I just felt that I needed to share it with you. I love you and will be praying for you.

 
At June 06, 2006 3:55 PM, Blogger Piiwite said...

Posting to a dead thread, take 2.

Another point you might want to consider is the nature of a god who relies on "covenants".

A covenant, per Webster, is "a solemn and binding agreement", or "a written agreement or promise usually under seal between two or more parties especially for the performance of some action". In other words, a contract.

Generally, when one thinks of spiritual contracts, the phrase "making a deal with the devil" comes up. Christian theologians try to explain away the contractual nature of "salvation" with words like "love" and "gift", but the contractual aspect cannot be avoided because salvation is always tied to fullfilling certain requirements, primarily the surrender of your will to another entity.

Covenant based christian theology essentially posits that you have no choice but to surrender your life and will to either god or satan, you will always be somebody's pawn, and spiritual "growth" occurs through allowing another entity an ever increasing depth of control over your mind, body & spirit.

Maybe this YHWH character isn't the "one true god" he claims to be...

 

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Wednesday, April 26, 2006

Jeremy Birge

O' Connor Monte Cristo, Zombie Ukrainian, Todd Rundgren, Gander, Letters to be written, Rick Ocasek, Stephen Colbert, Bucket, "my brother's kids," Dave Grohl dental work. As you can see, I have a lot to get through. Settle in.

As Nat X would say,"It is now 4:49 in the AM." I woke up at 3, and then after dreaming for a while (don't eat half a Monte Cristo before bed) about DAA and a bunch of people from the class behind me like Mike Hellman, Leslie Weidell, Seth Clark, and James Schumacher (recent MySpace addition), I know where it began, which is saying a lot because much, as you can see, has followed.

After my dream, I realized how much I don't trust Leslie Weidell, diabetic PK mountain-biking hottie that he is. I don't trust him because he, and by extension the rest of those enrolled at DAA in 1998, betrayed me in that year's Student Association elections. At one point, I was the only candidate for Spiritual Vice-President. Then after the deadline for submission of petition to become a candidate, the SA officers of that year allowed Leslie Weidell to join the race. They had to do this because the previous year Jeremy Birge, Sgt. at Arms for that administration, was allowed to join the race after the deadline the previous year. That year, many agreed this was a good thing because I don't think we liked who he was running against (I think it was Dusty Kirschmann, ask Scott for clarification). In hindsight, I guess I was also loathed like Dusty. Back to the election, Scott said that it was between the guy who prayed in guy's dorm worship and the guy who exposed himself during it. So I lost the election. In the previous year's annual, Pastor Gary (Burns) wrote: Daniel, You have great potential as a spiritual leader. Leadership is not limited to an office. It's a full-time-who-you-are thing. God Bless! PG I agree with him, but mandate from the people sure does help. In the year of the election his comment included: Sometimes your agenda and God's agenda get a little confused. Allow God to give direction. Give him permission to do His work in your life, and you will be glad.

I guess this was the beginning of my disillusionment with spirituality and religion. I know I was a stupid 17 year old kid, but it happens. Part of the reason for the impact this event had on me is that I've always associated community and religion. This is the only reason I go to church now (when I actually go), for the community. So when the community rejected me as a spiritual leader, it was difficult.

So that covers the feelings I got from my dream. After I woke up, I thought about what I could do with my time, seeins as I had the whole morning ahead of me. One of my options was to write a letter. I haven't written in a while, so I thought I might open with Todd Rundgren's "Hello, it's me. I've thought about us for a long, long time." Todd has been in my mind for a while since he was put on Stephen Colbert's "On Notice" board by Rick Ocasek (Rick was on the show as a resident limnologist because in a music video he, like Jesus, walked on water. Colbert put The Journal of Paleolimnology on notice because of an article proposing that Christ walked on a chunk of ice in the Sea of Galilee, and gave Rick the option to put someone up there too.) I realize why he was Ocasek's choice. I was also wondering why two ds. This got me thinking of other Todds and Todd Flanders came to mind, from the Simpsons. "Hens love roosters. Geese love ganders. Everyone else loves Ned Flanders." This ditty was the first time I realized that a gander was not a group of geese, which I figured it was since people say "What is good for the goose is good for the gander." when they mean what is good for one is good for all.

One more ramble. This morning as I sat down to the computer, I saw the lid to my honey bear on the computer desk. As I took it back to its home, I saw my honey bear all messy on the kitchen counter. SERGEY!!! is responsible for this. He came home tired from watching the boiler. I guess he wasn't too tired to make a mess he didn't clean up. Silly zombie Ukranian. As Billy Bob Thornton said in Tombstone, "It's like playin' with my brother's kids."

PS In the Foo Fighters video "Best of You," Dave Grohl, lead singer and former drummer of Nirvana, sings into a microphone with a majority of the video a close up of this. I wonder if the premium shots of his teeth allow him to write-off for taxes his dental work.

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At April 26, 2006 4:40 PM, Blogger Kate Lechler said...

Thanks for sharing. It may have been long and rambly, but it feels like you're thinking out loud, unedited, which makes me happy. I'm sorry about the Honeybear. Ugh. I'm having roommate-cleaning-issues too. I may move.
Sorry for not calling on Sunday--I had too much to do. How's this Friday eve for you?

 
At April 26, 2006 11:19 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

Sounds fine to me. I know Scott's parents will call sometime that evening too, but if you want to give a time, we can try to make it happen.

 

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Tuesday, April 25, 2006

SDA

as in seven-day agnostic. I switched my religion on MySpace a few weeks ago, and thought I'd do so here too. I know this doesn't really matter to how people view me or think about me, my actions and interactions (with a little hearsay) do that, but I thought this would be as good a venue as any to work it out verbally.

Right now, I'm more not Christian than gung-ho Agnostic. Some reasons I'm not Christian. I don't believe in the divinity of Christ. This started by not really accepting His sacrifice for my sins, because I don't think I need it. [I don't know if I've discussed this here before, but sin seems very subjective to me, based on guilt mainly (what you feel guilty doing is a sin, different cultures issue different guilt). I'd rather not feel guilty, nor do I feel guilty doing or thinking things that used to be sin to me. So, if sin is subjective, which I think it is, why need someone to save me from it?] After over a year of not believing I need "the Cross," this Easter I decided Jesus is what I think the Buddhists and Muslims say He is, a great teacher/prophet, but not God.

I admit I've been influenced by other religious literature (see The Book of Mormon, The Koran, and The Dictionary of Norse Myth and Legend). Many religions have religious texts, and each believes in the veracity of it. Why is the Bible more true than the Koran, or the Book of Mormon for that matter?

Even longer than not needing the Cross, I've been more religious than spiritual (I've always mocked the start up Gen-X churches who promise "God without religion." I say, "No religion?! Not for me!"), even the religion part is out now. My take on those that are succeeding with Christianity (no offence) is that belief or faith is the important thing (I've felt this way about prayer for many years. Prayer focuses your mind on something; doesn't matter what happens--God is answering). I don't think it matters what you believe (in); if you believe and have faith, then you will feel better about your life (which is why you believe, so that you will feel good about your life). I think that about covers my non-Christian reasons.

I still believe in a God that created the Universe. Whether He has a place for me after I die, I don't know. Does it matter to Him if I live a moral life? I don't know. Does He want me to join a chosen group of people to worship Him? I don't know. Is He a he? I do not know. I guess that covers the a-gnostic part.

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At April 25, 2006 11:26 PM, Blogger Angela said...

does He love you?
yes.

i'm sorry i haven't sent the answer to your question yet, daniel. i forgot. but i have remembered.

i love you.

 
At April 26, 2006 12:27 PM, Blogger Ellen said...

you've thought this out more then i have, and i'll agree with most of your points. but for me it came down to realizing i was only pretending to be a christian to fit in with the group of people i was around (ozark bitches, i mean, classmates). it wasn't until i was talking with one of my professors (from turkey and therefore raised muslim) and she said, "i'm not christian" did it hit me that religion didn't really matter to me, it was the connections i make with other people that matters.

i also don't believe in santa and, really, what's not to love about santa...and his six to eight black men? i'll stop here before i get out of hand.

 
At April 26, 2006 6:38 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

I can see where you are coming from.

I can't quite bring myself to the same place, but have been tempted. I have to believe in Jesus. Not because I should, or "know" that it is the right thing, but because I couldn't justify the way I think or live my life if that part wasn't true.

Not the best reason for belief, but the best I can do right now.

I really don't like Christians though. There are some good ones out there, but well, not enough to make church a happy place.

We should talk religion sometime. I miss that.

Even though we don't agree on lots of stuff, I love you!

 
At April 26, 2006 7:49 PM, Blogger Jeff said...

I really appreciate 3 things about this post: (1) you're honest, (2) you've vulnerable, & (3) you don't ridicule people who hold other beliefs.

I have a lot of questions & thoughts, but for now I'll just say I'm interested in the God & creation part. If you're ever motivated, I'd be interested to read a post on why you believe "in a God that created the Universe."

Oh yeah, Hi, my name's Jeff. Peace.

 
At April 26, 2006 8:44 PM, Blogger Daniel said...

Thank you all for your comments.

Angela, I'm glad you brought up God's love. See my next post for a more thorough response, but in brief, I think God's love is quite literally pathetic.

Ellen, the social/cultural aspect is HUGE, and I think it's a larger obstacle to honesty than a lot of people want to admit.

Wendi, I am also matching how I live with what I believe but reverse from you. I'm just admitting that I don't live like a Christian. Sounds a bit pompous, but I don't think I could live differently than I believe. Speaking of Christians (since you brought them up), I don't have any problems with Christians, or Adventists for that matter. I think I've always been able to separate the person(ality) from their affiliation. Yes, we should talk about religion sometime. Call me.

Jeff, welcome, and thanks. I think it is easy to be honest and vulnerable, because putting these thoughts on the blog helps me to pack light. :)

twxenivs

 
At April 26, 2006 9:01 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

Well, I don't think I live like a Christian much, at least I don't follow all the teachings that my parents believe I do/should do.

My whole life philosophy is based on being there for other people. If I can bring a little joy to someone, even from just opening a door or having something nice to say to them, I am happy.

This is sorta based on how I view Jesus. If he doesn't exsist or even isn't divine, I'd have to do a lot of soul searching and thought, and frankly, I'm lazy.

My biggest problem is the love aspect of it all. It works for some people, people I greatly respect (Angela for one), but I don't understand it. I've tried. It is an emotion I can't accept as genuine. I love other people, they don't love me back. (I blame my mother for that complex). Anyway, this is getting too personal for blogs. Let me know when you are free to talk.

 
At April 28, 2006 12:56 AM, Blogger Jeff said...

This comment goes in the direction of Voth... I'm confused.

It seems like the first half of your last comment is totally about love, and then the last paragraph is about not understanding or experiencing or something love. That part confused me a little.

Because to me, your comment about “being there for people” is real love. I'm not sure what else it would look like.

I know you're right—we're getting a little deep since this isn't even our blog. Cool. And I don't even know either of you, so yeah, I'm totally butting in. Again, cool.

And you're also right that Angela definitely has a corner on the love thing. Maybe that's a common thread—we all love Angela, aye?

I've posted some general thoughts on my blog about some of these ideas/experiences. I thought it might be more appropriate to put them there rather than here 'cause they're mostly God stuff. I hope you'll check it out (http://packlight.blogspot.com/2006/04/real-labels.html). It's meaningful to me.

Peace & respect,
Jeff

 
At June 06, 2006 2:47 PM, Blogger Piiwite said...

I realize I'm commenting on an old post, but it's one of those enjoyable little vices...

The best advice I can give, since I'm sure you want my advice, is the old Sufi saying: We do not fear hell, and we do not covet heaven.

If one keeps this in mind, and if one is genuinely curious and willing to seek, there are many rewards to be found.

 

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Thursday, January 26, 2006

I Promise

I find it interesting that homosexuals use a symbol that according to Christian mythology was given by God as a promise that he would never flood the earth again. Presumably flooding the earth in the first place because of the rampant sin and corruption of its inhabitants. Aren't sodomists, who God has given plenty of laws about to His people, kind of waving it with a limp wrist in His face?

One of my co-workers recently received her daughter's report card. One of the areas of evaluation for the teacher to mark is "Embraces paradoxical thinking." How can you evaluate an eight year old on that, or anyone for that matter?

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Sunday, December 18, 2005

Immolation Is the Sincerest Form of Tragedy

Immolation means sacrifice from in-molare. Latin mola was ground spelt mixed with salt that was sprinkled on the corpse. The Final Cut, not to be confused with Final Cut, illuminates the practice when Alan Hakman (Robin Williams) tells Fletcher (James Caviezel) about sin eaters. These were outcast on the fringes of society. Bread would be placed on the body and and coins on the eyes. The sin eater would then eat the bread, taking the deceased's sin, and take the coins for payment.

In the context of the film, Hakman deletes the sins of individuals while preparing the videos of their lives for a "rememory." While he deletes the sins for others, these sins are still carried with him. He feels he deserves this task because he thinks he let a childhood friend fall to his death. So to serve penance for his negligence, he adds to his guilt that of others.

I don't want to get into the soteriological implications of this. But it is very tragic that an individual feels they deserve to carry the sins of others when their own sins are quite enough. So in this season, whose reason is the tilt of the earth's axis, don't let guilt rest on your soul, and especially don't let the sins of others rest on you.

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